温家宝提出县级民主直选 胡锦涛以民生婉拒
本主题由 alix001 于 2010-7-6 13:21 移动 weke
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1楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 08:55 只看该作者
温家宝提出县级民主直选 胡锦涛以民生婉拒
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放逐
我所能想到的最残忍的事，就是和这个政权一起慢慢变老
2楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 09:00 只看该作者
等真相
清心善咒
3楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 09:06 只看该作者
真的假的？
咸鱼干
米国西太平洋大学性学博士、哥伦逼样大学女性心理学博导、加州理工大学前戏研究室主任
4楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 09:12 只看该作者
直选又如何？徒增笑耳。
机器猫阿福
小资产阶级造谣专家
5楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 09:23 只看该作者
县级民主直选
前进一步是一步
左岸←右岸
把你的子宫钉到我的墙上，这样我便会记得你。我们必须走了。明天，明天…
6楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 09:25 只看该作者
这个新闻太搞了
ycsxzg
五毛通讯社社长，五毛日报总编辑，五子棋业余九段
7楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 09:25 只看该作者
如果是真的话，这样隐秘的消息透露出来，是谁干的？
nathansam
1984OR2012
8楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 09:26 只看该作者
扼杀在摇篮里
铜球
9楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 09:26 只看该作者
草，影帝现在为了抬高自己，竟敢贬低老大，不要命了？
napalm613
在墙外和墙内的人一起围观
10楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 09:32 只看该作者
内哄了吧
741275952
11楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 09:43 只看该作者
影帝看来已经达到某种层次了，坐看胡温内哄
跑道灯
12楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 09:43 只看该作者
直选……观望中……
原子时代
13楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 09:45 只看该作者
假的吧！要搞县级选举，肯定要对这些年的村镇基层选举做出评估后，才能考虑。而后者的现状是——除了金钱和黑社会，还有什么？
这些，我等小民都知道了，影帝贵为首辅能不知道？
快乐流浪汉
脑力劳动教养所指导员，五毛控 GFW爱好者 低俗控 业余翻墙 长期围观 资深群众 被代表 不明真相
14楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 09:53 只看该作者
贿选也比暗箱操作强啊。
kisspussy
15楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 10:17 只看该作者
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原帖由 原子时代 于 2010-7-6 09:45 发表
假的吧！要搞县级选举，肯定要对这些年的村镇基层选举做出评估后，才能考虑。而后者的现状是——除了金钱和黑社会，还有什么？
这些，我等小民都知道了，影帝贵为首辅能不知道？
“程序正义”总比没有正义好或者比表面的“结果正义”好的多！
因为好的程序再运作下去的迟早老百姓会选出对自己有利的正直有真才实学的官员，而不会为了蝇头小利或暴力恐吓去选，
当然刚运作的时候会有这种现象，但是选民的智慧也是要培养的也是要他们自己在跌跟头中总结经验的，上次选错了，那么下次就
不会不重视手中的选票了。
技工
16楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 10:22 只看该作者
假新闻。
simonsol
17楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 10:27 只看该作者
民选，我这辈子估计是看不到了
除非推翻独裁，否则永无晴日
米西米西
老家大洋
18楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 11:09 只看该作者
博讯尽出烤鸭文。
大话足球
19楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 11:11 只看该作者
中国的民主还很远
马德毕
20楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 11:12 只看该作者
太八卦的消息，可信度太低
沉。
真●和谐无双
21楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 11:13 只看该作者
前进一步是一步
微晨
22楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 11:26 只看该作者
有点小孩子的味儿.
要是这样做,混乱真的无法收拾了.
爽歪歪
23楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 11:40 只看该作者
博讯是什么东西？
小春
24楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 11:44 只看该作者
博讯的新闻都是向九常委约稿的吧，连人家关起门放个P也让你知道。
waterise
一头小猪
25楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 12:22 只看该作者
肯定是假消息。过两年就换届了，没有人愿意自找麻烦。
Diablo
封锁带来觉醒，黑暗衬托光明。
26楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 12:49 只看该作者
胡：我们本来就是民主选举嘛。不是我想当主席，是人民让我当的。
何生远
没有保护人的人
27楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 13:50 只看该作者
我赌烤猪，这个是假的
lucient
28楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 14:27 只看该作者
楼上所有不相信的人你们都输了，这个事情确有其事，而且在公开信息渠道你们也能查得到。温家宝在2005年会见英国首相布莱尔的时候就说过这事情，要搞城镇直选，当时布莱尔震惊了。这是卫报还是纽约时报的一篇文章，被人翻译出来了，更好笑的是到现在都没被河蟹。看这里http://gejia.blog.hexun.com/1057242_d.html
原文译文都有。
我朝共产
内心抗争的屁民一个——“为什么要给畜牲自由？它们一代代的命运就是套上枷锁，接受鞭挞。” @huicn
29楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 14:40 只看该作者
回复 19楼 米西米西 的话题
各路人马 都在博讯 上 有点
多好
光明的格里高利
八卦爱好者
30楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 14:42 只看该作者
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原帖由 lucient 于 2010-7-6 14:27 发表
楼上所有不相信的人你们都输了，这个事情确有其事，而且在公开信息渠道你们也能查得到。温家宝在2005年会见英国首相布莱尔的时候就说过这事情，要搞城镇直选，当时布莱尔震惊了。这是卫报还是纽约时报的一篇文章，被
…
五年长的连续剧啊
chengp001
无聊网上混，有感才涂鸦；君问我是谁，呆子是敝人。
31楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 14:56 只看该作者
29楼说的就是这个吧？懂英语的自己去看吧。
China looks to democracy to cure its ills
By Fong Tak-ho
HONG KONG - Over the past 16 years, the Chinese leadership has tried its best
to dodge democratic reform while looking for alternative measures to stamp out
rampant corruption and increase government efficiency. However, it seems to
have recently come to the conclusion that there is just no way other than
democratic reform.
Chinese President Hu Jintao has indicated that China will institute a program
of democratic reforms, and Premier Wen Jiabao has given more detail, pledging
to introduce direct elections at the township level “within a couple of
years”.
and Wen chose to make their announcements during international events shorthly
before Hu’s trip last week to the United Nations summit meeting in New York.
This could be a sign that both are eager to project a reformist image to the
international community as part of efforts to defuse the theory of a “China
threat” from what is still officially a communist government.
“China will press for democratic progress, unswervingly reestablish democracy,
including direct elections,” the premier, who favors mild reform, told a news
conference prior to the 8th EU-China summit on September 5. “If we Chinese
people can manage a village, I believe they can manage a town in several
years. This system [of direct voting] will be realized step by step.”
Visiting British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who sat next to Wen, was
reportedly “shocked” when he heard the premier’s remarks. Blair shouldn’t be
surprised. What Wen is talking about is only a mild democratic reform package.
Similar political schemes were introduced as early as 1988.
Former Chinese leaders, such as late Communist Party party chiefs Hu Yaobang
and Zhao Ziyang, considered what Wen is now planning. Such initiatives came to
a sudden halt in 1989 when Hu Yaobang passed away, three years after the pro-
reform leader was sacked from his post, which immediately sparked an outcry
for more democracy. This pro-democracy campaign culminated in the showdown at
Tiananmen Square on June 4, 1989 and the replacement of Zhao Ziyang by Jiang
Zemin.
During Jiang’s era, direct elections were introduced to Chinese villages.
Nevertheless, critics said this was far from enough.
The Chinese government has now exhausted other measures aimed at maintaining
social stability, and all are considered to have been unsuccessful. Former
premier Zhu Rongji’s state-owned enterprise reforms, for instance, backfired
as the procedure for management buy-out resulted in even more corruption and
embezzlement. (The leaders all agreed that economic reform had a strong
political aspect.) Administrative measures alone have proven a poor substitute
for democracy.
When China was under Jiang’s rule, corruption got worse as individual corrupt
officials collaborated with each other, and in recent years the central
government has exposed corrupt syndicates involving hundreds of officials.
Meanwhile, many local officials have made use of their unchecked power to
exploit natural resources. They have received kickbacks from property
developers, and they run coal mines without considering the impact on the
environment. Beijing realizes it could face an ecological disaster should this
trend remain unaddressed.
When the Jiang administration was replaced by Hu Jintao’s team in 2003, Zhao’s
former secretary, Wen Jiabao, became premier. Now, it looks as if Wen is
determined to finish what his former boss could not.
Before Wen declared his intention to introduce more democracy, he tried to
introduce administrative measures to lift the efficiency of his civil service.
He also issued a spate of government decrees stressing the need to address
grassroots problems.
Most government officials, however, turned a deaf ear to these repeated calls.
The reason is simple: officials in China are appointed, instead of being
elected, and they are not accountable at the grassroots level.
For a long time, Wen has been trying hard to reduce redundancy, to streamline
the bulky administrative structure. Like previous streamlining efforts, the
plan to cut down the size of the government has met with a huge amount of
resistance. To change this situation, Wen has to make sure that the
grassroots’ voices are heard.
Another reason Wen has to introduce democracy at the township level is to
check the power of provincial leaders. These leaders are at the top of the
executive, judicial and legislative wings in local government, while
theoretically they also have command of the army in their areas.
A provincial leader’s power is essentially unchecked. Under such circumstance,
the Chinese central government has in the past empowered city and township
governments with financial autonomy to prevent the provincial government from
becoming too powerful. But this measure has not been very effective as city
leaders also can be corrupt.
Thus, the central government is contemplating scrapping the city’s role in
controlling the city’s budget. However, a new problem arises. There are
thousands of cities and towns in a single province, and it is very hard for
the province to supervise all their operations. Thus the central government is
now convinced that corruption at the township level can only be checked by
democracy being introduced at that level.
Now it is a question of timing beyond the broad “within a couple of years”
promise. No detailed timetable has been announced. In the most optimistic
scenario, this reform could be incorporated in the working report for the 2007
17th Communist Party congress. Should Wen’s idea meet great resistance, the
issue could be delayed to the 18th congress in 2008. In both scenarios, Wen’s
promise of introducing reform “within a couple of years” could be kept.
There appears to be a rhythm of reform in Chinese history since modern-day
China came into existence in 1949. Apart from the unusual period of the
Cultural Revolution from 1966 to 1976, a wave of reform thinking washes over
China every 14 years or so.
Taking over the mainland in October 1949, the Chinese government virtually ran
the state from 1950. In 1964, when most of Mao Zedong’s planned economic
policies had failed and resulted in the massive famine of the late 1950s,
former president Liu Shaoqi took over command of the economy and introduced
some elements of market reform. Liu’s reform package, however, was called off
when Mao initiated the decade-long Cultural Revolution in 1966.
After this devastation, the late leader, Deng Xiaoping, won over his
conservative rivals in 1978 to launch his open-door policy. After another 14
years in 1992, Deng pressed ahead with further market reforms by visiting the
Special Economic Zone of Shenzhen. Now, it has been almost 14 years since
Deng’s call to spearhead further market reform.
This 14-year phenomenon is not merely a coincidence. Fourteen years is long
enough for the government to forget the very spirit of reform, while it is
also long enough for new problems to arise. Officials need to be reminded why
there was a need for reform in the first place. The people need to be told how
problems that appeared following the previous bout of reforms can be fixed -
and this is by further and harder reform.
大老宋
32楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 15:30 只看该作者
博讯还真有点牛呢
ㄤ男丨蘇瓦特
33楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 15:42 只看该作者
此二人皆已跛腳。哎。
waiting_it
34楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 16:09 只看该作者
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原帖由 机器猫阿福 于 2010-7-6 09:23 发表
前进一步是一步
对，哪怕前期伴随着各种黑暗和不公
levpw
35楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 16:51 只看该作者
影帝和主席演双簧- -???
上海帅哥
SC截图党1984BBS支部书记，御祥瑞免家宅平安
36楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 17:06 只看该作者
引用:
原帖由 米西米西 于 2010-7-6 11:09 发表
博讯尽出烤鸭文。
+1984
yangharrylg
37楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 17:45 只看该作者
火星文~
迷情之旅
38楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 18:28 只看该作者
博讯在这方面很低级，就像长舌妇，天天蜚短流长，一天一个样，疑神疑鬼。看政局，看大势。
无机客
39楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 19:27 只看该作者
傻消息。
karlmarx
40楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 19:30 只看该作者
于建嵘最近就在提倡这个啊
Jyamolmiry
两岸猿声啼不住，党的政策亚克西。
41楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 19:53 只看该作者
我总觉得民主选举得从上到下，总统能直选了，才能一步步往下。要不然县长直选了，得对选民负责吧？但县长的上级不是直选的，无需对选民负责，这不就矛盾了么？
职业割鸡鸡
Madao中的otaku
42楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 21:20 只看该作者
博讯~
blue_sky
强力围观人士
43楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 21:58 只看该作者
等真相
huangqinfeifei
叫我feifei吧http://t.qq.com/huangqinfeifei
44楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-6 22:20 只看该作者
假的吧，如果真的要启动政治体制改革，最好是从最上层开始，因为越底层的官员，抵制民主得越强烈
就是一木头
kaoyan-ing，不慌不忙的走在路上
45楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-7 00:43 只看该作者
法若不法，一切都是屁
何时远飚
46楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-7 17:33 只看该作者
假的
fp456789
47楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-7 18:13 只看该作者
引用:
原帖由 铜球 于 2010-7-6 09:26 发表
草，影帝现在为了抬高自己，竟敢贬低老大，不要命了？
依据？ 你的刻板印象？
houman
48楼 大 中 小 发表于 2010-7-7 18:21 只看该作者
博讯这些东西都是那里来的。