最后的呐喊：撞击国税大楼的飞行员的讲话

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最后的呐喊：撞击国税大楼的飞行员的讲话

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还是发在这里吧，比较有人气。

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to

happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a

long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be

therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy

in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant

could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the

process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially

given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the

storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure,

but desperate times call for desperate measures. We are all taught as children

that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy.

如果你读到了这封信，那么你无疑会问你自己：“为什么会发生这样的事情？”简单的事实是，原因很复杂，也持续了很长时间。这一写作过程，从好几个月前开始，原本是想要挽救这个尽管已经无可救药的世界。无需多言，如果我愿意，这篇战书可以充满一个又一个的例子。我发现这封信的写作过程十分的令我沮丧，无聊，很可能还毫无意义……尤其是，我的脑袋里充满了暴怒的时候，要精准的表达我的想法就很困难了。究竟如何挽救，我并不清楚，但是绝望的时候需要绝望的举措。我们小时候都被教育，没有法律就没有社会，只有混乱。

Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to

believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands

for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is

freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for

the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of

these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years

of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood.

These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled

a “crackpot”, traitor and worse. While very few working people would say they

haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say

with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a

vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that

matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

很遗憾，从幼年起，我们在这个国家内就被洗脑，相信我们的政府代表正义，作为对我们的服务和奉献的回报。我们还被洗脑相信这片土地上有自由，并且为了我们的建国大爷们所代表的崇高原则，我们要随时准备献出生命。还记得吗？这些原则中有一条是“没有代表权就不得征税”。我所有成年后的年月里，一直都试图忘记小时候那少数几年被灌输的垃圾。这些日子来，只要有谁真正坚持这些原则，就会被迅速贴上疯子、叛徒或者更难听的标签。尽管，有工作的人不太可能说他们缴的税不合理（我就能这么说），但在我的一生中，我很确定从来没有一个政治家为我，以及和我一样的人，所关心的事情投过票。他们也对我以及我必须要说的话丝毫没有兴趣。

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable

atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and

when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their

gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government

has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the

same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug

and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and

stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders

don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies.

Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving

scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after

year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear

they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their

corporate profits rolling in. And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

为什么，有一大把强盗能够犯下如此难以想象的暴行（通用汽车的执行层的案例里，这种暴行还持续了好多年），而当他们的暴富即将在贪婪和不可救药的愚蠢的重压下被挤垮的时候，整个联邦政府的力量在几天之内（如果不是几个小时），都被轻而易举用来全力帮助这群强盗？而就在同时，我们称之为笑话的美国医疗系统，包括医药和保险公司，正在每年谋杀数以万计的人，从这些尸体和其他被他们玩残的受害者身上弄钱，而这个国家的领导者并不觉得这是一件很严重的事情，还不如保释出一些恶劣的暴发户同党来的重要。而且，议员们（称他们为小偷，诈骗犯，和自私自利的无耻小人更为准确）却有无穷的时间一年又一年坐而论道，辩论国家的“糟糕的卫生保健问题”。很明显，只要死人不会活过来阻挡他们的财路，在他们眼里这就不是什么危机。公正？你开什么玩笑呢！

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the

middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a

system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master

scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims,

claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the

experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax

filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are

signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a

totalitarian regime, nothing is.

任何有理智的人都无法解释我们的税收和法律体制中那个累赘低效的巨大难题。到目前为止，我们的体制太过复杂，就是最聪明的学术大师也搞不清楚。而同时，它却无情地让受害者“承担责任”，声称他们有责任完全服从法律的要求，而即使是专家也无法理解这些法律。法律“要求”报税文件的底部必须要有报税者的签名，而没有人敢说他们完全理解自己签名的文件。如果这不是“强迫”，那这是什么？如果这还不算极权主义统治手段，那么没有什么能算。

How did I get here?

我是怎么走到这一步的呢？

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s.

Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I

picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain

English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax

code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating

to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt

Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the

help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the

business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except

that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government

about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to

make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said

it was to be done.

我对这个真实的美国式噩梦的介绍，要从80年代早期开始。不幸的是，读了16年书之后，我不知从哪儿学到了一种荒唐而又自大的想法，自以为能够阅读和理解直白易懂的英语。一些朋友介绍我加入一个讨论“税收代码”的组群。这群人主要是在集中讨论一个美妙的关于“免税”的条款，这一条款使得诸如腐败粗鄙的天主教教堂之类的机构能够富得流油。我们仔细的研究法律（得到了一些“最好的”、高收入、有经验的商业税收律师的帮助），开始照着样子做那些“大人物”们所做的事情（除了我们从来没有以上帝的名义从信徒那儿骗钱，或者对政府撒谎隐瞒我们巨额的利润）。我们费了很大的劲儿使我们的业务透明，遵照所有的规定，完全按照法律的要求来做。

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed

reevaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make

such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I

learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very

rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones

making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today

in this country.

我们这么做的目的是为了促进对现行法律的重新评估，这些法律使得诚实挣钱的人同怪物般的宗教组织比起来，简直就是个笑柄。然而，这时我才学到一件事情：每本法律都有两种解释，一种是富人的解释，另一种是我们其他所有人的解释……哦对了，这些怪物们正是制订和执行法律的人；在这个国家里，宗教法庭直到今日仍然健在。

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and

set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that

I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete

lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the

incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and

sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with

eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening

in front of them.

这点小小的爱国主义教训花费了我四万美金和十年的生命，还把我的养老金计划清零。这使我意识到，我生活在一个意识形态完全构建在谎言上的国家。这还使我意识到，不仅我自己曾经那么幼稚，美国的公众也是不可救药的愚蠢；他们完完全全的相信了所谓的“自由”……他们即使面对压倒性的证据，也选择性失明。

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson

on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way

through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”),

I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an

independent engineer. On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence,

I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the

fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a

very young age.

甚至，在我从一场有关“正义在这个国家到底意味着什么”的惨痛教训中缓慢恢复过来之前（那是在1984年，我终于从工程学校毕业，但仍然花了5年付清贷款），我觉得我终于可以开始实现成为独立工程师的梦想了。说到工程和独立梦想的话题，我应该说句题外话：我从我父亲那里继承了创造性地解决问题的魔力。我很小的时候就意识到了这一点。

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early

years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as

student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an

elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the

widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in

the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and

the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and

medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the

thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt

union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole

their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

而关于独立的意义，直到我大学的前几年才认识到。18还是19岁的时候，我在宾夕法尼亚州的哈里斯堡作为学生独自生活。我的邻居是一位退休寡妇（八十多岁对我那个年纪来说是很古老的），她的丈夫以前是个钢铁工人。她丈夫的一声都在宾夕法尼亚中心的钢铁厂工作，大老板们和工会保证他，工作三十年后，他可以得到退休金和医疗关照。结果是，他和其他几千人一样什么也没得到，因为无能的工厂管理层和腐败的工会（更不用提政府了）劫掠了他们所有的退休金。她现在只能依靠社会保险来过活。

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut

butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months

at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt

worse for her plight When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I

felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had

everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we

exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when

she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be

“healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my

substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the

impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care

of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

回顾当时的情况，更有讽刺意味的是，我却一连几个月吃花生酱和面包（当我有闲钱可以挥霍的时候，还吃麦片乐之薄饼）。当我听说了这个可怜的寡妇和她的故事后，我觉得她比我更杯具（我当时毕竟还觉得自己拥有一切）。我们互相交流，惺惺相惜，而当她像祖母一般劝说我，不要光吃花生酱和面包，而应该（像她一样）吃猫粮才能更健康的时候，我当时就震惊了。我并没有像她那样，但是这件事情给我造成了影响。我决定我决不能相信大公司会照顾我，我必须为自己的将来承担责任。

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-

behind-theears’ contract software engineer… and two years later, thanks to the

fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen

(the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and

an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of

1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

回到八十年代早期，我还是个乳臭未干的合约软件工程师，即将开始一段糟糕的经历……两年后，多亏了卑鄙的安达信高管（就是后来带来安然丑闻的那群人）以及一位同样卑鄙的的纽约州参议员（帕特里克

莫伊尼汉）的夤夜密谋，我们看到了1986年税务改革法案的1706条款。

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706,

defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax

purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report

(http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding

the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section

530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services

workers and their clients, read our discussion here

(http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

如果你对此不熟悉的话，这里是1706税务条款的核心文本，它定义了工人（例如合约工程师）的税收待遇。访问这个链接（http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport）可以看到一份委员会报告，关于1706条款以及相关的530修正条款的意图。有关这些法律如何影响技术服务工人以及他们的客户，可以参见这里的讨论（http://www.synergistech.com/ic-

taxlaw.shtml）。

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL. (a) IN GENERAL – Section

530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the

following new subsection: (d) EXCEPTION. – This section shall not apply in the

case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and

another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer,

designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly

skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work. (b) EFFECTIVE DATE. – The

amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services

rendered after December 31, 1986.

1706条。特定技术人员的税收待遇。(a)对1978年税收法案的530条款增加如下修正：(d)例外——这一条款不适用于根据纳税人和第三方协议，为第三方提供诸如工程师，设计师，制图师，计算机程序员，系统分析师，或者其他相似的技术工作的个人。(b)生效日期-

此增补条款对1986年12月31日后支付的工资和提供的服务生效。

Note:

! “another person” is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

! “taxpayer” is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

! “individual”, “employee”, or “worker” is you.

注释：

！“第三方”是指传统的雇员-雇主关系中的客户。

！“纳税人”是指雇主或者代理人。

！“个人”，“雇员”或者“工人”就是你。

Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but

it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put

my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been

more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and

non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000

hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman,

governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me

as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways

driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups

who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to

discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the

brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration

of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending

on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients. After months of

struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could

get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they

weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and

scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of

the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course,

was the intended effect. Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift

them into idle.

If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never

looked back. Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A.

depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the

all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they

were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region

that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the

government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who

lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the

wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their

windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to

build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to

finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our

leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an

eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on

security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively

expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid

of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to

rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY

MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my

retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to

California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that

this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn

little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time

finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash,

because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the

area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens

because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a

{EXPLETIVE DELETED} about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their

rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of

which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a

single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I

didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that

they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal

objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told

I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend

over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world,

following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s

office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented

income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had

no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be

irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order.

I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with

results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to

include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To

make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a

clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had

become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend

transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the

tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything

about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end

result is… well, just look around. I remember reading about the stock market

crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and

businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost

everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country

that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal

from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke)

to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy

{EXPLETIVE DELETED} up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a

clever, tidy solution. As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably

referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent

presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly

reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the

government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the

interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full

of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their

self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has

always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this

country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there

have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I

also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will

change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while

he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I

choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had

enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and

ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing

less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the

inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more

stupid draconian restrictions people wake government reaction that results in

more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous

political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I

spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is

the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big

chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at

and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same

process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am

finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try

something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to

his need.

共产主义信条：各尽所能，各取所需。

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each

according to his greed.

资本主义信条：人尽其蠢，我尽其贪。

Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010

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nkpoper

2楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 11:52 只看该作者

这种文章不必翻译。谁看得懂就看，看不懂的最好别看。

要有翻译瘾，把《撒旦的诗篇》翻译过来倒比较有用。

再世关羽

3楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 12:19 只看该作者

引用:

原帖由 nkpoper 于 2010-2-19 11:52 发表

这种文章不必翻译。谁看得懂就看，看不懂的最好别看。

要有翻译瘾，把《撒旦的诗篇》翻译过来倒比较有用。

《撒旦的诗篇》？是勒维的撒旦圣经么?我有中文版的

sogoood

4楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 12:20 只看该作者

受虐妄想狂的左派SB

这SB抱怨来抱怨去，如果他活着，希望有人问问他：美国既然如他所言如此不堪，作为美国人，他可以移民到这个星球任何国家，对吧？他为嘛不去呢？

nkpoper

5楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 12:27 只看该作者

引用:

原帖由再世关羽于 2010-2-19 12:19 发表

《撒旦的诗篇》？是勒维的撒旦圣经么?我有中文版的

我说的是拉什迪的《撒旦的诗篇》。导致他被霍梅尼追杀的那本书。

再世关羽

6楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 12:32 只看该作者

引用:

原帖由 nkpoper 于 2010-2-19 12:27 发表

我说的是拉什迪的《撒旦的诗篇》。导致他被霍梅尼追杀的那本书。

哦

蒙面佐罗

7楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 13:01 只看该作者

我靠，昨天刚说打，今天就开打，可见美国政府真的欠揍，不揍不成材

胡记茶行

8楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 14:24 只看该作者

引用:

原帖由 sogoood 于 2010-2-19 12:20 发表

受虐妄想狂的左派SB

这SB抱怨来抱怨去，如果他活着，希望有人问问他：美国既然如他所言如此不堪，作为美国人，他可以移民到这个星球任何国家，对吧？他为嘛不去呢？

好熟悉的话

照顾好你

围观的P民

9楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 14:37 只看该作者

引用:

原帖由 nkpoper 于 2010-2-19 11:52 发表

这种文章不必翻译。谁看得懂就看，看不懂的最好别看。

要有翻译瘾，把《撒旦的诗篇》翻译过来倒比较有用。

为什么不翻译？

多一种声音很好啊；

这是言论自由滴~~

坐等楼主翻译，记号之。

wowo_steve

披着羊皮的喔喔狼 @wowo_steve

10楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 15:20 只看该作者

这哥们儿是因为他的401K退休金被否决了，所以撞国税局了事。

作为一名J8国的屁民，我是这么看待这个问题的：人家自杀的时候开的是飞机啊！是飞机啊！我将来自杀，还得先把我的自行车托付给下一代继续使用呢！

铜球

11楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 15:34 只看该作者

引用:

原帖由 sogoood 于 2010-2-19 12:20 发表

受虐妄想狂的左派SB

这SB抱怨来抱怨去，如果他活着，希望有人问问他：美国既然如他所言如此不堪，作为美国人，他可以移民到这个星球任何国家，对吧？他为嘛不去呢？

难道生在这个地球上最富强最民主的国家，就不能有点抱怨了？

hhbcl1414

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12楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 15:38 只看该作者

肥猪流

quanquantang

自虐是一种乐趣,变态是一种信仰。

13楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 16:10 只看该作者

引用:

原帖由胡记茶行于 2010-2-19 14:24 发表

好熟悉的话

老虎

14楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 16:31 只看该作者

请翻译.

mark了谢谢LZ

rocksun

15楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 18:36 只看该作者

中国也有

langhua9527

大家好吗，我是小浪花！大家好吗，我是小浪花！大家好吗，我是小浪花！大家好吗，我是小浪花！大家好吗，我是小浪花！大家好吗，我是小浪花！大家好吗，我是小浪花！大家好吗，我是小浪花！大家好吗，我是小浪花！大家好吗，我是小浪

…

16楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 18:46 只看该作者

9494叫他移民朝鲜嘛

netsnail

17楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 19:07 只看该作者

回复 4楼 sogoood 的话题

生活在美国应该感恩戴德是吧?

cyon

@tianlan

18楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 19:10 只看该作者

杯具啊

美帝子民不高兴开飞机撞大楼

天朝屁民不高兴自残还犯法了

楼下是坏人

19楼大中小发表于 2010-2-19 23:36 只看该作者

翻译辛苦了～

未来他老爸

20楼大中小发表于 2010-2-20 00:17 只看该作者

让丫来天朝生活两年

就不会这样干了

BennyChao

21楼大中小发表于 2010-2-20 04:30 只看该作者

美國政府還是沒有中共狠啊

Yahoo!

柳叶眉该用户已被删除

22楼大中小发表于 2010-2-20 09:32 只看该作者

引用:

原帖由铜球于 2010-2-19 15:34 发表

难道生在这个地球上最富强最民主的国家，就不能有点抱怨了？

话不是这么说。中国人移民困难，在这里抱怨一下，他一米国淫，移民那么容易，还守在米国抱怨，这不让人奇怪么？难道患了肌肉无力症？

本来就没有完美的国家，那你在地球上权利最好的国家还要抱怨，恐怕只能选择去天堂了。

[ 本帖最后由柳叶眉于 2010-2-20 09:34 编辑 ]

铜球

23楼大中小发表于 2010-2-20 10:30 只看该作者

引用:

原帖由柳叶眉于 2010-2-20 09:32 发表

话不是这么说。中国人移民困难，在这里抱怨一下，他一米国淫，移民那么容易，还守在米国抱怨，这不让人奇怪么？难道患了肌肉无力症？

本来就没有完美的国家，那你在地球上权利最好的国家还要抱怨，恐怕只能选择去 …

这个逻辑好奇怪，觉得制度不合理，抱怨有什么错？有不合理的地方，我抱怨，你改正，这难道不是一个民主国家里民众和政府应该做的事？已经是最好的国家就没有任何需要改进的地方了？

你觉得我制度不合理，你就走…………你觉得这个想法很正常？那美国支持反对党的人都不要反对了，都移民出去吧…………

sogoood

24楼大中小发表于 2010-2-20 10:42 只看该作者

引用:

原帖由 netsnail 于 2010-2-19 19:07 发表

生活在美国应该感恩戴德是吧?

嗯，在您的精神世界里，除了感恩戴德就是开飞机撞大楼泄愤，没有其他状态。

GELI

25楼大中小发表于 2010-2-20 10:45 只看该作者

人家自杀的时候开的是飞机啊！是飞机啊！

我是这么看待这个问题的：人家自杀的时候开的是飞机啊！是飞机啊！我将来自杀，还得先把我的自行车托付给下一代继续使用呢！+1

zuokanyq

俺就这样坐着

26楼大中小发表于 2010-2-20 11:17 只看该作者

发错了。汗。删除了。

[ 本帖最后由 zuokanyq 于 2010-2-20 11:24 编辑 ]

nkskyshn

27楼大中小发表于 2010-2-20 14:28 只看该作者

估计我有生之年能看到美国人民实现共产主义了~

伊藤誠

28楼大中小发表于 2010-2-20 14:31 只看该作者

“自由之树必然时常用爱国者和暴君的血来灌溉。它是自由之树的天然的肥料。”

这个程序员的行为本身就已经说明自由在美利坚根深蒂固，不可撼动

向他致敬！

[ 本帖最后由伊藤誠于 2010-2-20 14:32 编辑 ]

罗马石头

29楼大中小发表于 2010-2-21 00:11 只看该作者

美国人的立国之本。

蒙面佐罗

30楼大中小发表于 2010-2-21 00:18 只看该作者

引用:

原帖由伊藤誠于 2010-2-20 14:31 发表

“自由之树必然时常用爱国者和暴君的血来灌溉。它是自由之树的天然的肥料。”

这个程序员的行为本身就已经说明自由在美利坚根深蒂固，不可撼动

向他致敬！

印象中，这句话是杰弗逊给谢司起义很高评价时说的。

阳光不锈

医生的职责不是救人，而是少杀人…以为自己是风，结果遍体鳞伤才发现，原来自己是草！

31楼大中小发表于 2010-2-21 10:18 只看该作者

回复 28楼伊藤誠的话题

恩,不管怎样,美国还有这样子的自由…

当然美国是自由世界里贫富差距最大的国家这点也是无容置疑的

美国梦已经不再那么美好了,目前中国富人普遍是南方人选择新加坡和澳洲,北方人选择加拿大的为多…

不过欧洲式的高福利国家也造成了很多问题-诸如公民工作热情不够高

瑞典现在也有点不能支撑强大的福利的味道了,很多以前的好事如今也逐渐被新政府所撤销

不过欧洲的很多高福利的东西也很难再改回来了,国民不会同意的

虽然法国现在趁着金融危机改掉了一些福利,但…