公盟缴税被当局拒绝 银行账户被冻结
azuccc
1楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:26 只看该作者
公盟缴税被当局拒绝 银行账户被冻结
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公盟文件
公盟关于履行税务行政处罚决定情况的公告
公盟缴税被拒绝
8月3日，公盟发布《关于同意接受社会捐款用于履行税务行政处罚决定的公告》，积极筹备资金，准备缴纳两税罚款（捐款账户详情公盟将在近日公布）。
8月5日，公盟账户（开户名称：北京公盟咨询有限责任公司，开户银行：中国光大银行北京首体支行，帐号：35080188000016762）被北京市公安局冻结。
公盟已于8月10日上午向北京市公安局致送了请求解冻账户协助办理缴纳税款和罚款的书面文件。8月10日下午，分别到地税和国税申请缴纳罚款。但皆被拒绝。现公告近日公盟缴税过程详情如下：
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
2009年8月6日下午，公盟代理律师黎雄兵来到位于朝阳区裕民路12号院的北京市地方税务局第二稽查局，找到第一稽查科的张旭科长，要求开出税收缴款书，履行此前由张旭、曹栋斌、刘朝晖、白俊等税务官对公盟作出的税务处理决定和处罚决定，缴纳税款和罚款。（1、2009年7月17日，北京市地方税务局第二稽查局二稽税稽处[2009]47号《税务处理决定书》，责令公盟补缴营业税、城建税、印花税合计60995.13元；2、2009年7月30
日，北京市地方税务局第二稽查局二稽税稽罚[2009]56号《税务行政处罚决定书》，处罚公盟缴纳营业税、城建税、印花税所偷税款五倍的罚款
304975.65元。）
张旭税务官告知，执行的问题归执行科管，建议公盟拿着税务处理文书去执行科开税单，然后凭税单去银行缴款，并告知黎雄兵律师第二天即可以去执行科开具税单。
2009年8月7日下午，黎雄兵律师再次来到北京市地方税务局第二稽查局执行科要求开具税单以便到银行缴税。一位自称姓安的副局长和姓郭的税务官接待了黎雄兵律师，他们告知黎雄兵要求有公盟的委托授权书，才能办理。黎雄兵律师说，7月24日参加处罚听证时，已经提交了委托授权书，听证主持人白俊的手中存有该授权委托书。安副局长和郭姓税务官说，该授权委托书是听证授权，不是缴纳税款的授权，因而黎律师不可以代办公司的缴税工作。
2009年8月10日下午2：30，黎雄兵律师与公盟研究员王功权先生带着盖有公盟公司印章的代为办理缴纳税款及罚款事宜的专项委托书，再次来到位于北京市地方税务局第二稽查局办公大楼417房间的执行科，请求开出二稽税稽处[2009]47号《税务处理决定书》和二稽税稽罚[2009]56号《税务行政处罚决定书》所对应的缴款税单，以便到银行办理缴款手续。
执行科的王元锋科长说要请示领导后才能办理，让黎雄兵律师与王功权研究员稍等。不久，王元锋科长回来，告知黎雄兵律师所持的授权委托书不符合要求，不能办理开具税票的事项。理由是，黎雄兵律师所持的盖有公盟公司印章的专项委托书上没有法人代表许志永的亲笔签字。
黎雄兵律师对王元锋科长说，公盟的法人代表许志永现已被北京市公安局以涉税问题羁押于北京市第一看守所，律师未获批准会见，目前无法在授权委托书上签字，盖有公司印章的授权委托书是具有法律效力的，要求依法予以办理准许缴纳税款及罚款的手续，开具税单。
这时，同在王元锋科长办公室的执行科的夏女士、范女士两位税务官也参与进来强调说，要求授权委托书上有法人代表的亲笔签字这是税务部门的规定，“你们有异议的话，我们也没办法”。
于是，黎雄兵律师与王功权研究员来到位于三楼的安副局长办公室，请求协调执行科给予开出缴纳罚款的税单。安副局长告知，该事归陈姓副局长分管，或者是一把手郭局长管，建议黎、王二位去二楼办公室请求帮助联系陈副局长和郭局长，由陈副局长和郭局长处理。
黎雄兵、王功权下到二楼稽查局办公室，办公室主任苏雷和科员李楠楠接待了黎雄兵、王功权，说郭局长正在开会，陈副局长休假了，均不能联系到。他们只能答应帮助转告该事情。
黎雄兵律师问苏雷，什么时候可以给予答复，苏雷说，这个他也说不准，没法给出准确时间。黎雄兵律师和王功权研究员担心，如果不能及时联系上陈、郭二位局长，公盟将被迫按照《税务处理决定书》和《税务行政处罚决定书》所确定的每日百分之三的利率缴纳逾期履行的罚款，每天将额外支付一万多元的滞纳金。
苏雷回答说，“这样的话，我们也没有办法”。黎、王二位据理力争，最后稽查局的多名工作人员连同两名保安员强行将黎雄兵律师、王功权研究员赶出了朝阳区裕民路12号院北京市地方税务局第二稽查局的办公大楼。
国税局：税务处理决定有误不宜执行
从朝阳区裕民路12号院地税局办公大楼被驱逐出来后，黎雄兵律师、王功权研究员又赶往西城区车公庄大街的北京市国家税务局稽查局，请求开具国税缴款税单，履行京国税稽处[2009]5号《税务处理决定书》。该决定书责令公盟补缴所得税187424.87元。
张允安税务官接待了黎雄兵和王功权，告知暂时不能补缴税款。理由是：原定五倍罚款的处罚决定还没有做出来，经过7月30日上午的听证他们认为公盟的申辩是有道理的，打算改变决定降低处罚额度；同时，国税稽处[2009]5号《税务处理决定书》所确定的补缴所得税187424.87元也需一同变更，原来送达给公盟的京国税稽处[2009]5号《税务处理决定书》暂不适宜执行。
黎雄兵律师和王功权研究员请求张允安税务官将上述答复出具书面文件给公盟，担心依据现有的京国税稽处[2009]5号《税务处理决定书》，公盟将承受额外的滞纳金。张允安税务官拒绝了黎、王二位的请求。
北京公盟咨询有限责任公司
2009年8月10日
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公盟文件
公盟关于解决涉税问题的声明
连日来，北京市地方税务部门和北京市国家税务部门先后以需要法人代表签字和已经作出的税务处理决定不宜执行等理由，阻挠我单位履行相关税务行政处理和处罚决定，及时补缴税款和缴纳罚款。为妥善解决本次涉税问题，维护公盟的合法权益，现发表如下声明：
一、公盟敦促，北京市地税和国税两部门严格依法行政，纠正错误，立即接受并积极协助公盟履行相关税务行政处理和处罚决定，将税款和罚款缴存入库。
二、公盟重申，严格按照国家法律所明确规定的行政和司法程序，努力寻求公开、透明、公正的解决本次涉税问题。对于税务机关所作出的行政处理和行政处罚决定，公盟在补缴税款和缴纳罚款履行相关前置程序后，将依法通过行政复议和行政诉讼程序启动法律救济，并尊重和服从生效的终局司法裁决。
三、公盟请求，尽快恢复我单位负责人许志永博士和财务人员庄璐女士的人身自由。依据《刑法修正案（七）》，我单位积极补缴税款缴纳罚款，履行税务行政处理决定和行政处罚决定，当不予追究刑事责任。
北京公盟咨询有限责任公司
二00九年八月十一日
[ 本帖最后由 azuccc 于 2009-8-11 16:32 编辑 ]
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张书记
http://twitter.com/SecretaryZhang
2楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:27 只看该作者
恶法不战而胜。
nustbobo
不明真相的群众，目睹俯卧撑、躲猫猫、撞墙死、临时工等一系列怪
3楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:29 只看该作者
这不是个税务问题。。。
雷曼兄弟
@trotrotro
4楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:30 只看该作者
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：不缴税？把法人代表抓起来关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：小子还敢不缴税？继续把法人关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：小子还敢不缴税？继续把法人代表关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
。。。。。
[ 本帖最后由 雷曼兄弟 于 2009-8-11 15:32 编辑 ]
satanla
不管多难，天会再蓝。
5楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:31 只看该作者
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：不缴税，所以把法人代表抓起来关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：不缴税，所以把法人代表抓起来关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：不缴税，所以把法人代表抓起来关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：不缴税，所以把法人代表抓起来关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
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哈哈
散光
昔攵光
吾射不亦精乎
6楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:32 只看该作者
我裆再次完胜
Enesto
麦克码农
7楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:36 只看该作者
引用:
原帖由 雷曼兄弟 于 2009-8-11 15:30 发表
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：不缴税？把法人代表抓起来关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：小子还敢不缴税？继续把法人关小黑屋
法人 …
就是能签字，许志永也不一定同意签这样一个字。
茅道
8楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:36 只看该作者
又见《第二十二条军规》
中国心
9楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:38 只看该作者
想起老鬼的小说“血色黄昏”中的一句话：跟姓共的斗，没你好下场
张书记
http://twitter.com/SecretaryZhang
10楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:38 只看该作者
在中国，遭遇政治迫害后首先做的是把素材交给外媒，让国际舆论给中国施压。
捐款、签名，这些行为都特别理想主义。
sogoood
11楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:39 只看该作者
人家想搞你，怎么都能搞，跟缴不缴款没关系。这事最终解决，恐怕还是需要王功权这样的人疏通。
围观的群众
海外的不反华势力
12楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:41 只看该作者
就是流氓国家！
everyman88
13楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:43 只看该作者
论证太严密了
Enesto
麦克码农
14楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:44 只看该作者
引用:
原帖由 张书记 于 2009-8-11 15:38 发表
在中国，遭遇政治迫害后首先做的是把素材交给外媒，让国际舆论给中国施压。
捐款、签名，这些行为都特别理想主义。
我倒觉得捐款去交罚款这件事，一点都不理想主义，而是完全的短视的、现实的做法。
莫之许已经把这个做法逻辑上的漏洞解释得很清楚了，更不要谈理想了。
peteryang84
15楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:45 只看该作者
想起以前我爸单位打官司，法院来人调查，要我爸出车接送，两顿大餐，最后扔下一句：等信儿吧！
这帮人耍流氓不是一天两天了，TG的厚黑文化直逼晚清。
悠悠晃晃
16楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:47 只看该作者
引用:
原帖由 雷曼兄弟 于 2009-8-11 15:30 发表
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：不缴税？把法人代表抓起来关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：小子还敢不缴税？继续把法人关小黑屋
法人 …
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：不缴税？把法人代表抓起来关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：不缴税？把法人代表抓起来关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：不缴税？把法人代表抓起来关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：不缴税？把法人代表抓起来关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
地税局：无法人代表签字不能缴税
公安：不缴税？把法人代表抓起来关小黑屋
法人代表：我在小黑屋，不让出来，不能去地税局签字
waz
牛魔王
17楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:48 只看该作者
他们根本不是冲着税来的。。。
张书记
http://twitter.com/SecretaryZhang
18楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:52 只看该作者
重复一则八卦：光大银行是薄熙来的哥哥薄熙永开的。
原子时代
19楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 15:58 只看该作者
“第三条道路”在专制制度中根本行不通。
只看不说话
有时装逼有时牛逼有时傻逼。推特号：@shuxiangyuan
20楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 16:15 只看该作者
其实最有效的办法就是自己组建一支军队才有博弈的筹码
NBHH
路边社社长特服
21楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 16:17 只看该作者
你交税，账户里的钱都是我的；
你不交税，账户里的钱也都是我的……
燕西
在历史的车轮面前，谁不是在螳臂当车呢？公义和良知的力量最终会成为这个社会的主流。
22楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 16:41 只看该作者
这是一种死锁
[17]堂吉柯德
Frake集团的牛三少爷，诸神国驻人间特派员，人类行为分析者
23楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 16:56 只看该作者
引用:
原帖由 张书记 于 2009-8-11 15:52 发表
重复一则八卦：光大银行是薄熙来的哥哥薄熙永开的。
不说是王光美和王光英开的么
Husky
Give me a reason, to prove me wrong.
24楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 17:14 只看该作者
嗯 希望一些些同志能由此看清现实。。
semniao
25楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 17:21 只看该作者
引用:
原帖由 茅道 于 2009-8-11 15:36 发表
又见《第二十二条军规》
第二十二条税法
不锈钢老鼠
怪鼠鼠
26楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 17:25 只看该作者
系统死机中……
花想容
依据用户管理细则，账号永久停用。
27楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 17:31 只看该作者
引用:
原帖由 azuccc 于 2009-8-11 15:26 发表
http://xuzhiyong.net/2009/08/11/30.htm
8月5日，公盟账户（开户名称：北京公盟咨询有限责任公司，开户银行：中国光大银行北京首体支行，帐号：35080188000016762）被北京市公安局冻结。
请注意，帐户冻结只是不能支付，而不是不能接受汇入款。本人8月8日专款成功，没有被退回。
请大家继续踊跃捐赠，只要许志永在会见探访时签署有关文件，帐户冻结应该可以解除。
花想容
依据用户管理细则，账号永久停用。
28楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 17:32 只看该作者
写错了，是异地转款成功。之前8月5日曾经被退回一次。
张书记
http://twitter.com/SecretaryZhang
29楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 17:33 只看该作者
提醒
任何形式的向公盟捐款的行为仅代表个人，不代表1984BBS。
坚壁清野
30楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 17:42 只看该作者
跟流氓斗？公盟还真不够。
花想容
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31楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 17:45 只看该作者
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原帖由 palmtenor 于 2009-8-11 17:35 发表
确定么…账户冻结了会不会归公国库? 我可不想给tg捐钱……
请看这位网友的经历：
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原帖由 miki0 于 2009-8-5 19:26 发表
存款时，光大银行的柜员说这个帐户显示异常，是被冻结的只收不付的帐户
我说只收不付没什么问题，可以收我就要存
柜员没有说捐款被退回
abu
32楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 18:09 只看该作者
许志永被抓，英文<环球时报>今天弄了2个版，标题也更吸引一般读者：毒奶粉受害者失去法律代理http://www.globaltimes.cn/www/en
… 2009-08/456249.html
Baby milk powder victims lose legal proxy
By Jiang Xueqing
At 5 am on July 29, Xu Zhiyong, founder of legal aid organization the Open
Constitution Initiative, was taken away from his home by the police in
Beijing. His colleague Zhuang Lu, who’s in charge of accounting for the
organization, was also arrested.
The office of the Open Constitution Initiative was raided by the Beijing Civil
Affairs Bureau on July 17. Officials claim the Gongmeng (pinyin of Open
Constitution Initiative) Law Research Center of the Open Constitution
Initiative has been running illegally as a non-governmental and non-profit
organization since it is not registered at the bureau. They seized the
computers of the research center, confiscating office supplies and research
papers such as the Civil Rights Defense Brochure and China Human Rights
Development Report 2005.
Officials from the Beijing Municipal Office, State Administration of Taxation
and the Beijing Local Taxation Bureau also visited the organization on the
same day. They declared the organization had received contributions from Yale
University in 2006-08 but failed to file tax accordingly. Therefore the
organization was ordered to pay 187,424 yuan in back taxes and fined 1,242,100
yuan ($181,843) – five times the contribution – the highest possible level of
financial punishment.
Six days after the raid, the Open Constitution Initiative applied for
administrative review. Xu Zhiyong argued the Gongmeng Law Research Center is
an internal organization of Open Constitution Initiative and so doesn’t need
to be registered at the civil affairs bureau.
Lawyers representing Open Constitution Initiative attended hearings held by
taxation bureaus and explained to officials that contributions from Yale
University were used for specific research and a non-profit purpose. The
organization did not provide any service to the university. Therefore the
bureaus should not tax the contributions.
What happened to the Open Constitution Initiative has been widely discussed by
fellow domestic non-governmental organizations (NGOs) in China.
“It’s not unusual for a corporation to have flaws in taxation,” said Lu Jun,
chief coordinator of the Beijing Yirenping Center, a non-profit organization
devoted to helping patients fight discrimination and protect their own rights.
“Considering it’s the first time the Open Constitution Initiative has been
found to have such flaws, taxation officials could remind it and request it to
pay the insufficient tax, rather than forcing it to the edge of bankruptcy by
imposing a harsh fine of more than a million yuan.”
Surprise raid
Lu said the clampdown on the Gongmeng Law Research Center lacked any sound
legal basis, as all corporations can have an internal organization or
department taking on corporate social responsibility.
The Global Times made phone calls to the Beijing Municipal Office, State
Administration of Taxation on July 30. A staff worker at the administrative
office said it was inconvenient for her to release any information about the
case because it was still in the judicial process.
An interview request sent to the Beijing Civil Affairs Bureau on August 5 has
not yet received a reply.
A key element of the case lies in the registration of the Open Constitution
Initiative. If the organization were registered as an NGO instead of a
corporation, it would enjoy tax relief.
“We’ve submitted our application for registration at the Beijing Civil Affairs
Bureau several times since 2005, but they have never given us any reply,” Xu
said during an interview with the Global Times in June.
Some scholars and domestic NGO leaders showed sympathy for the organization,
saying Xu had no other choice. It’s extremely difficult to register as an NGO,
according to them.
Yu Jianrong, a researcher at the Rural Development Institute, Chinese Academy
of Social Sciences, stated in an article: “The identity dilemma for the Open
Constitution Initiative is a tragedy for our society.”
There are three common ways for domestic NGOs to obtain legal status to run in
China.
The first is to be affiliated to a State-owned university, association or
institute. The second is to become a subordinate of a government functional
department in a relevant field and then register as a non-profit organization
at a local civil affairs bureau. The third is to register as a corporation at
a local administration for industry and commerce.
But in the real world, it’s hard to find a functional government department
willing to accept an NGO as its subordinate, according to NGO leaders. Most
organizations have to register as a corporation or even start running without
a legal identity.
“For government officials, the less trouble the better,” said Zhang Shuqin,
president of the Sun Village, a non-governmental charitable organization
providing foster care and education for the children of convicts.
If a government department allows an NGO as an affiliate, the department will
have to take responsibility for monitoring, supervising and auditing the
organization, as well as coordination between the organization and civil
affairs bureaus, according to State Council regulations. Such a burden has
scared away many departments of government.
The Sun Village used to be a subordinate project of the China Charity
Federation. The project was cut in 2003 during a reform of the federation and
the village lost its legal status.
“If the Sun Village is a corporation, the worst that would happen is we would
close down, but we also had about 50 kids whose parents were sentenced to
death or life imprisonment,” Zhang said.
“What could we do – leave them to the China Charity Federation, to the local
government or throw them out on the street?”
She constantly paid visits to government departments and associations such as
the Beijing Civil Affairs Bureau, the Red Cross Society of China Beijing
Branch, and the All- China Women’s Federation. None was willing to take the
Sun Village as an affiliate. Today, the village still runs without a legal
status.
“Those NGOs that operate without proper registration are likely to be banned
if they displease powerful people,” Lu said.
He told the Global Times that the Xinjiang Snow Lotus HIV/AIDS Education
Institute, for example, was banned in 2006 because it offended the local
authority.
Registration headaches
Parents carry a victim of the Sanlu milk scandal in a Wuhan maternity
hospital, Hubei Province, on September 16 last year. Xu offered to represent
all the victims of the scandal in their quest for justice.
There were 386,916 official and unofficial NGOs registered with the Ministry
of Civil Affairs by the end of 2007. That number only accounts for NGOs
registered at civil affairs bureaus across the country. A far larger number of
NGOs are either registered at local administrations for industry and commerce
or not registered at all, according to Lu.
The Beijing Yirenping Center belongs to the larger group. It was visited by a
police officer and two plainclothes officers from the Cultural Market
Administrative Law Enforcement Office of Beijing on July 29. The officers said
they received a report that the center was involved in publishing without a
license. They searched the center and confiscated more than 90 copies of
China’s Anti-Discrimination Legal Action Newsletter.
Lu explained to them that printing documents like fliers and newsletters is a
major task of NGOs. Otherwise they would not be able to publicize relevant
laws and information to the public.
The newsletters were published in small numbers and given out free at
seminars, not public places. Therefore they should not be taken as a
publication.
Revenge
Lu suspected the incident was an act of revenge on the center by someone
offended by what they did.
“Wealthy and powerful people have increased dramatically in the last few years
without being restricted properly,” he said. “They have intensified attacks
and retaliation on NGOs providing legal aid.”
His concern is shared by Guo Jianmei, a lawyer who has been working for the
public interest for 14 years. She considered public interest lawyers as people
with lofty ideals, high moral standards and a great sense of social
responsibility. The challenges, risks and pressure they face are beyond the
imagination of people in other professions, according to her.
Guo founded the Center for Women’s Law & Legal Service of Peking University in
- She was under pressure and couldn’t sleep at one time, worrying how far
she could go.
“Chinese NGOs offering legal assistance and consultation are like seedlings
rooted in stone cracks, trying to survive in an unfavorable environment,” she
said.
“Society is unlikely to provide a flexible political environment within 10
years for us to speak out openly about what’s on our mind. How can we develop
in such a situation?”
With 14 years of practical experience, she realized legal aid NGOs often had
to be run in a Chinese way for survival and development. They must open
channels to government to make themselves heard, building up connections with
officials, counselors and lawmakers.
“I was reluctant to butter up the government because of a sense of personal
honor,” she said. “I thought it was unnecessary to act according to the will
of officials. However, as other NGOs got into trouble one by one, I was
thinking hard and realized I couldn’t distance myself from the government, but
had to join the mainstream.”
She came to see opening up government channels as a strategy to achieve the
goal of working independently with greater freedom.
The pressure endured by NGOs was even bigger a few years ago, according to Xu.
The predecessor of the Open Constitution Initiative was refused renewal of its
registration with the Beijing Administration for Industry and Commerce in
- He had to re-register the organization with a new name.
“The political environment is becoming flexible, and society is moving
forward,” he said to the Global Times during an interview in June.
“Some reformers within the system are trying to win support from the
government, while we are striving for tolerance of the authority.”
Peng Jian, a lawyer with the Open Constitution Initiative, said members of the
organization were considering filing bankruptcy. At the same time, he and Lin
Zheng, assistant of the organization, were still attempting to represent
victims of the Sanlu baby milk powder scandal.
Chen Yang also contributed to this story.
No legal system: experts
By Wang Yuan and Liu Xuan
Popular support for NGOs has taken off spectacularly in 2008, claimed the
founder of China’s first NGO academic research center at Tsinghua University
in Beijing.
“For Chinese grass-roots NGOs,” Wang Ming said, “the key to surviving and
thriving … is to maintain and utilize a sound relationship with authority.”
Successful dialogue with government officials could help NGOs avoid falling
victim to tax issues, said Fu Tao, an NGO researcher based in Beijing.
Tax is a problem facing all NGOs that register as corporations, he said.
“Intentionally or unintentionally, it is an institutional trap,” he said,
“providing a basis for selective enforcement by the government.”
It’s true that many domestic NGOs have a hard job fund raising, said Fu,
because any potential corporate sponsor rarely receives tax breaks for
contributing to them.
Unless they are government-registered, the standard Chinese NGO will often
struggle for help from Chinese society, he said.
Nonetheless, focusing on this private corporate versus government work unit
registration issue misses a much more important, larger point, he believed.
“We should think about whether the existing system should open a space for
advocacy organizations like Open Constitution Initiative and Yirenping, which
on behalf of the public interest and disadvantaged people, try to push for
social justice and rule of law by challenging people or government departments
with vested interests.
“If it can’t, even if all NGOs successfully register with civil affairs
bureaus, a policy of selective enforcement will persist, just offering
different excuses.”
NGOs split into two types: charity-based and advocacy groups, he said.
“Our government has been providing more space for charity-based NGOs in recent
years, as it realizes these NGOs can help resolve social conflicts and
contradictions by redistributing wealth.
“But advocacy groups are still being treated standoffishly because they are
regarded as troublemakers.”
Standing off was a misguided approach in the long term, he argued.
“People’s awareness of their civil rights is rising. There will be more and
more people using existing laws or promoting law to protect civil rights. “
NGOs are newborn things to Chinese society. With the improvement of the legal
system in China, regulations for NGOs will gradually be reformed to meet
increasing public demand, a Beijing-based NGO researcher told the Global Times
under condition of anonymity.
“Adapting to the current legal system is a necessity for NGOs to expand their
role in the future, which will also grant more opportunities to contribute to
the betterment of the legal system,” he said.
doggie
33楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 18:12 只看该作者
这群傻逼，一会儿要纳税，一会儿就不收了。
康波
老泪纵横
34楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 18:27 只看该作者
往死里整才是目的。
花想容
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35楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 18:27 只看该作者
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原帖由 abu 于 2009-8-11 18:09 发表
许志永被抓，英文今天弄了2个版，标题也更吸引一般读者：毒奶粉受害者失去法律代理
《环球时报》英文版的报道平衡啊，还采访了益仁平，完全不是它自己中文报纸那个煽动民族主义的语气。
过去注意到一次，《环球时报》中文版说中国经济复苏在望，英文版头版说复苏信号微弱，路还很长。
在玩什么？难道一下笔写英文就公正客观了？
xxlfile
36楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 19:11 只看该作者
非暴力手段不能解决
luugoo
拖延心理学：向与生俱来的行为顽症宣战】https://1984bbs.com/viewthread.php?tid=60185
37楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 19:20 只看该作者
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原帖由 花想容 于 2009-8-11 18:27 发表
《环球时报》英文版的报道平衡啊，还采访了益仁平，完全不是它自己中文报纸那个煽动民族主义的语气。
过去注意到一次，《环球时报》中文版说中国经济复苏在望，英文版头版说复苏信号微弱，路还很长。
在玩什 …
环球小报当初不是招了不少洋人么？英文版的东西是洋人在写。
用裤衩思考
路边社社员
38楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 19:55 只看该作者
这个细节最逗
1.
执行科的王元锋科长说要请示领导后才能办理，让黎雄兵律师与王功权研究员稍等。不久，王元锋科长回来，告知黎雄兵律师所持的授权委托书不符合要求，不能办理开具税票的事项。
2.
“黎雄兵、王功权下到二楼稽查局办公室，办公室主任苏雷和科员李楠楠接待了黎雄兵、王功权，说郭局长正在开会，陈副局长休假了，均不能联系到。他们只能答应帮助转告该事情。”
== 就是说，领导有时间批示不能收税，但是没时间接待律师。这是最操蛋的地方。我梦想着有一天能对共产党也这个态度，随意折腾他们，但是没时间让他们折腾我。
黄阿狗
金玉其内 败絮其外
39楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 20:13 只看该作者
麻痹的！太可耻了！！
xiahua
业余打狗爱好者。新宇大校夸我书法好，锦涛叔叔赞我觉悟高
40楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 20:24 只看该作者
话说公盟的光大帐号已经只能向里存钱不能从里面取钱了……
花想容
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41楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 20:38 只看该作者
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原帖由 luugoo 于 2009-8-11 19:20 发表
环球小报当初不是招了不少洋人么？英文版的东西是洋人在写。
不是，你看： By Jiang Xueqing 明明是国人
洋人是编辑校对，修改语法错误的，被人称作 re-writer，虽然他们很不服气
被脑袋夹了的门
草泥马共和国主席林比娅·卡德尔女士
42楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 21:11 只看该作者
有个朋友的QQ签名是——想给许志永写辩护词
singlefabulous
43楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 23:04 只看该作者
似乎意味着许与庄的牢狱之灾是不可免的？
老大已经决定了？
Archanfel
PRC护照持有者；学生；反权威倾向；好斗；温和；地方主义；agnostic
44楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-11 23:09 只看该作者
钱还是要交的。正常途径无法解决更显示出对方的无理。
围观的群众
海外的不反华势力
45楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-12 00:51 只看该作者
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原帖由 花想容 于 2009-8-11 18:27 发表
《环球时报》英文版的报道平衡啊，还采访了益仁平，完全不是它自己中文报纸那个煽动民族主义的语气。
过去注意到一次，《环球时报》中文版说中国经济复苏在望，英文版头版说复苏信号微弱，路还很长。
在玩什 …
这才是环球时报的可恶之处。事情到底是怎么回事，Y心理明镜似得，非要装孙子，散布谣言，煽动。
Jyamolmiry
两岸猿声啼不住，党的政策亚克西。
46楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-12 00:59 只看该作者
现在的国际环境没有国家会为了一个公盟而向TG施压的。
Candice
镯控
47楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-12 01:21 只看该作者
第二十二条军规
快乐流浪汉
脑力劳动教养所指导员，五毛控 GFW爱好者 低俗控 业余翻墙 长期围观 资深群众 被代表 不明真相
48楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-12 02:00 只看该作者
操，账户一冻结，会不会把捐的款当作敌资没收了呢？最后公盟罚款没交成，TG还把大家的捐款卷了去，不惮以最大恶意揣测TG……
花想容
依据用户管理细则，账号永久停用。
49楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-12 02:10 只看该作者
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原帖由 Jyamolmiry 于 2009-8-12 00:59 发表
现在的国际环境没有国家会为了一个公盟而向TG施压的。
也好，免得老是被说什么“外部敌对势力”
苏麻离青
50楼 大 中 小 发表于 2009-8-12 08:14 只看该作者
回复 4楼 雷曼兄弟 的话题
战无不胜！！
干脆公盟宣布破产，大不了重新注册！
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